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Simon Goldstein's avatar

FWIW Harvey Lederman and I defend a version of what you're calling "as if" mental states (https://philpapers.org/rec/GOLWDC-2), but we reject the idea that they aren't "really" mental states in a "substantive" sense (we call our view 'objective interpretationism'). For example, I think that there is a sensible approach to special sciences in general that has these implications about psychology in particular. Tectonic plates exist if and only if they are part of the best theory of geology, and they are part of that theory if and only if they help explain the geological data. Analogously, one approach to psychology is that the psychological data is behavior, and beliefs and desires exist if and only if they are part of the best theory of behavior. Crucially, however, this need not require structured internal representations. Now the resulting approach to special sciences certainly doesn't say that tectonic plates are merely 'as if' objects; likewise, the approach to psychology wouldn't say that beliefs and desires are merely 'as if' mental states.

In addition, I disagree that work on personas suggests that AIs don't satisfy functional conditions on mental states. A different way to understand the ideology of 'personas' or 'role play' defended by Harvey Lederman and I, and also by Chalmers, is just that each conversation with a single "model" is its own agent, with its own beliefs and desires. Different conversations will involve different personas, with different kinds of beliefs and desires. But for example each conversation may involve mental representations. I'm worried that a lot of the ideology of personas and role play comes from a misguided attempt to find a single set of beliefs and desires to associate with an overall model, when instead we should be assigning beliefs and desires to individual AI agents, which are roughly individuated by the conversation.

Jack Thompson's avatar

I think you're slightly misconstruing "as-if" mental states. According to Dennett, for instance, it's only appropriate to describe mental states to some system if it gives you predictive power over and above that what you would have on the physical or design stances. So it is inappropriate to say that your car doesn't want to start, because describing intentionality leads to all kinds of wrong predictions: the car won't take actions to avoid being started, it won't try to get itself turned off, it doesn't track threats to its ignition, etc. Whereas with an LLM, talking in terms of at least some mental states helps me make predictions. (But not all mental states, and not to their full extent.)

This is still not a super robust sense of emotion; you can make better predictions by attributing intentional states to fictional characters as well. But I don't think it's quite as trivial as car-starting makes it seem.

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